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Lancashire Police boss in second expenses probe

Chorley Citizen: Police and crime commissioner for Lancashire Clive Grunshaw Police and crime commissioner for Lancashire Clive Grunshaw

LANCASHIRE’S Police and Crime Commissioner is facing renewed calls for his resignation after admitting to a second expenses bungle.

Clive Grunshaw revealed he had paid back an undisclosed sum after receiving mileage expenses, in error, at a higher rate than he was entitled to.

The former milkman blamed a ‘clerical error’ in his office for the mistake and said he had ‘purposely distanced’ himself from submitting expense claims following a mistake while he was a county councillor.

He said: “I was informed of a clerical error which has resulted in an overpayment. I immediately asked for this to be rectified.”

It is second time former Labour county councillor Mr Grunshaw has had problems with his expenses since becoming the first elected Lancashire Police and Crime Commissioner in November 2012.

His first 13 months in post were overshadowed by investigations into allegations he ‘overclaimed’ £1,550 during his county council work.

Following an Independent Police Complaints Commission probe into the discrepancies, the Crown Prosecution Service decided in January against prosecuting Mr Grunshaw.

It said ‘the evidence suggested errors rather than deliberacy in his part’.

On Wednesday night, after a Lancashire Telegraph investigation, Mr Grunshaw admitted repaying an undisclosed sum after being overpaid mileage expenses in his high-profile role overseeing Lancashire Constabulary.

East Lancashire MPs Andrew Stephenson and Gordon Birtwistle immediately called for him to consider resigning from the £85,000 a year job.

They expressed surprise he had become involved in a second expenses problem and said public officials had to accept personal responsibility for their expense claims and payments, rather than blaming staff.

Pendle Tory Mr Stephenson said: “I think this raises important question’s about Mr Grunshaw’s judgement.

“It beggars belief that he would be in this situation again.

“For it to happen once may be unfortunate but twice seems like carelessness, incompetence, or worse.

“Expenses are the personal responsibility of an elected official. You simply cannot pass the blame onto someone else.

“I think Mr Grunshaw should consider whether he should resign. He should immediately declare the amount repaid.”

Blackburn Labour MP Jack Straw said: “It would be helpful all round if Mr Grunshaw would make public the amount of the overpayment and the exact circumstances without resorting to Freedom of Information legislation.

“All people in public and private life are responsible for their expenses claims and payments whoever fills them in.

“I personally check all my mileage claims and payments as an MP.”

Burnley Liberal Democrat Mr Birtwistle said: “I cannot believe this has happened a second time. Holders of public office are personally responsible for what expenses they claim and are paid. I sign and check mine personally.

“It looks like incompetence or carelessness. This puts his position in some danger. He must consider whether he can continue and give details of the overpayment of public money.”

Rossendale and Darwen Tory MP Jake Berry said: “Mr Grunshaw seems to have scant regard for taxpayers’s money. For this to happen twice looks like carelessness. I look forward to him releasing full details of the overpayment.”

The original probe followed former Tory county councillor for Chorley Sam Chapman alleging Mr Grunshaw had ‘double claimed’ expenses for meetings of Lancashire Police Authority on the same days from his Fleetwood home on 23 occasions.

After the CPS decision, Mr Grunshaw said he had ‘learnt lessons’.

The Lancashire Telegraph first asked the PCC’s office questions about the latest expenses issue on May 30 but was told there was no problem.

Last week the same denial was repeated to a second inquiry.

It was only after the announcement of the departure of his £120,000-a-year chief executive Miranda Carruthers-Watt through ill-health on Wednesday that Mr Grunshaw issued a statement admitting new expenses problems.

His office refused to discuss the sums or how long he had been receiving them, but confirmed he had repaid it in full.

A spokeswoman said the incorrect amount and mileage rate had been decided by an official not the commissioner, adding that it had been picked up by a Lancashire Police payroll officer processing the payments.

She added the only way the sums would be released was through a Freedom of Information Act request.

The Lancashire Telegraph understands Mr Grunshaw was, for some time, paid the 65p a mile private car rate for using a vehicle leased from Lancashire Police, when he should have been paid just 45p.

His website now records from November 2012 to March 2013 he was paid £574.20 and from April 2013 to March 2014 he was paid £1,207.35, all at 45p per mile.

The expenses payments are made from a ring-fenced budget of £1.5million for the running of the PCC’s office.

Mr Grunshaw’s statement said: "There has been no investigation into this matter.

"For the record I have purposely distanced myself from submitting expense claims. They are collated by a senior member of my staff who completes the form on my behalf.

"My only role is to agree the appropriate mileage - which is then displayed on my website. Earlier this month, I was informed of a clerical error which has resulted in an overpayment. I immediately asked for this to be rectified.

"That is the full extent of this matter. Any attempt to suggest otherwise is a deliberate attempt to smear me, and I would condemn this."

Ms Carruthers-Watt, a former Blackburn with Darwen and Lancashire county council employee who lives in Burnley, said she had no knowledge of any problems with Mr Grunshaw’s expenses.

Mr Grunshaw was not answering his personal phone yesterday.

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7:44am Sat 28 Jun 14

child44 says...

Resign.

Oh, and why are 2 police officers and 3 PCSOs attending a dispute over the cost of a hairdo?
Resign. Oh, and why are 2 police officers and 3 PCSOs attending a dispute over the cost of a hairdo? child44
  • Score: 21

9:17am Sat 28 Jun 14

Excluded again says...

The real scandal is the £1.5 million PCC budget. That would pay for about 30 extra police officers on our streets.

Which would you choose to spend £1.5m taxpayers money on? A PCC and all the resulting bureaucracy? Or 30 more police officers on our streets? The current government thinks it should be the first option.
The real scandal is the £1.5 million PCC budget. That would pay for about 30 extra police officers on our streets. Which would you choose to spend £1.5m taxpayers money on? A PCC and all the resulting bureaucracy? Or 30 more police officers on our streets? The current government thinks it should be the first option. Excluded again
  • Score: 33

9:46am Sat 28 Jun 14

Primus622 says...

Another 'redundancy' on the horizon perhaps?....
Another 'redundancy' on the horizon perhaps?.... Primus622
  • Score: 18

9:59am Sat 28 Jun 14

DaveBurnley says...

If he resigns then he could always become an MP, he seems to have the background.
If he resigns then he could always become an MP, he seems to have the background. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 29

10:16am Sat 28 Jun 14

juanbbien says...

He will be on a good annual wage structure and pension without doubt but it's never enough for this greedy lot who are supposed to be up holding the law not bending it
He will be on a good annual wage structure and pension without doubt but it's never enough for this greedy lot who are supposed to be up holding the law not bending it juanbbien
  • Score: 25

10:34am Sat 28 Jun 14

glossopkid says...

Lancashire Constabulary should investigate this fully and not pussyfoot around Their police commissioner in terms of upsetting him.
I bet if this wasn't the police commissioner he wouldn't have been let off so easily.
Like I've said many times before " it's how high you are in the chain and how powerful you are to get away with what you do wrongfully " .
The CPR & POLICE are puppets !!!
Lancashire Constabulary should investigate this fully and not pussyfoot around Their police commissioner in terms of upsetting him. I bet if this wasn't the police commissioner he wouldn't have been let off so easily. Like I've said many times before " it's how high you are in the chain and how powerful you are to get away with what you do wrongfully " . The CPR & POLICE are puppets !!! glossopkid
  • Score: 22

12:25pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Primus622 says...

The higher a monkey climbs the more it shows its a!!e....
The higher a monkey climbs the more it shows its a!!e.... Primus622
  • Score: 19

1:54pm Sat 28 Jun 14

drunken donut says...

For expenses bungle read FIDDLE.
For expenses bungle read FIDDLE. drunken donut
  • Score: 12

2:01pm Sat 28 Jun 14

psch says...

Every one seems to be missing the point, if he can't control a simple matter such as his expenses how can he control a multi million pound budget - that's why he should resign. Whether it is fraud or incompetence it is irrelevant it is a resignation matter.
Every one seems to be missing the point, if he can't control a simple matter such as his expenses how can he control a multi million pound budget - that's why he should resign. Whether it is fraud or incompetence it is irrelevant it is a resignation matter. psch
  • Score: 26

5:34pm Sat 28 Jun 14

zabby says...

Give the poor lad a payrise then he might not have to fiddle as much
Give the poor lad a payrise then he might not have to fiddle as much zabby
  • Score: 8

6:01pm Sat 28 Jun 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

Those of you who voted for him, share the blame. He is corrupt!
Those of you who voted for him, share the blame. He is corrupt! HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: 17

7:34am Sun 29 Jun 14

Real Ale Up North says...

I fear there may be more irregularities that have not yet been identified. What a shambles.
Just do the honourable thing and resign. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear that honourable - agreed?
I fear there may be more irregularities that have not yet been identified. What a shambles. Just do the honourable thing and resign. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear that honourable - agreed? Real Ale Up North
  • Score: 15

9:22am Sun 29 Jun 14

zabby says...

He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him zabby
  • Score: 10

10:51am Sun 29 Jun 14

Caspar the ghost says...

Jobs for the boys....and this is what you get
Jobs for the boys....and this is what you get Caspar the ghost
  • Score: 9

10:57am Sun 29 Jun 14

travel happy wanderer says...

How can he run the Lancashire police budget when he carn't look after his own expenses time he was sacked or will he walk with a golden handshake.
The running of police should have been left to the police not to an ex milkman just shows what this country is coming to. PS hope his customers checked their bills .
How can he run the Lancashire police budget when he carn't look after his own expenses time he was sacked or will he walk with a golden handshake. The running of police should have been left to the police not to an ex milkman just shows what this country is coming to. PS hope his customers checked their bills . travel happy wanderer
  • Score: 18

12:17pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Ian the Beancounter says...

So he subscribes to the accountants' poem:

"Hey diddle, diddle
the cat and the...........adjust
ment!"
So he subscribes to the accountants' poem: "Hey diddle, diddle the cat and the...........adjust ment!" Ian the Beancounter
  • Score: 6

12:20pm Sun 29 Jun 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
[quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no. clitheroe blue boy
  • Score: 6

12:25pm Sun 29 Jun 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

Oh and regarding Mr Grunshaw, if I was in his position I would check, and check again, any paperwork/claims submitted in my name and with my signature attached.

So yes I think he's at fault about this regardless I'd somebody else submitted on his authority.

The buck stops with him, but wait and watch when 1 of his several assistants gets the blame or takes the rap.

This isn't the 1st time he's been accused of this is it.
Oh and regarding Mr Grunshaw, if I was in his position I would check, and check again, any paperwork/claims submitted in my name and with my signature attached. So yes I think he's at fault about this regardless I'd somebody else submitted on his authority. The buck stops with him, but wait and watch when 1 of his several assistants gets the blame or takes the rap. This isn't the 1st time he's been accused of this is it. clitheroe blue boy
  • Score: 9

4:22pm Sun 29 Jun 14

woolywords says...

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
This man has been detected at failing to maintain proper records of his expenses claims before; yet now seeks to blame another for it...
Surely, after the furore of the first incident; common sense dictates that you take better care of your own finances and not pass it off to someone else, where the probability of it re-occurring is higher, as they don't have your fear of yet more recriminations.
...
Whilst your comment is perfectly laudable and acceptable, it doesn't mean to say that I cannot demand that any bad apple isn't sought out and dealt with, severely.
...
What you fail to see here is, many of us expect better standards than we ourselves adhere to, than is currently being shown by our supposed 'elders and betters'. Where MP's, bankers, insurance companies and anything financial is allowed to fiddle like a string section of ALL the orchestras in the country, there has to come a time when we say, enough is enough.
And this, Sir, is just such a case!
...
When you respond, feel free to insult my Magistrate parents, my personal probity and to denigrate the moral more that I've instilled in my children, as it seems as though you like to do this, instead of checking the direction of your own moral compass, in defending the indefensible corruption that is evinced in this article..
Or to put in it's most simplistic of terms, that any village idiot will understand..
He fiddled expenses, TWICE; which part of this, aren't you getting?
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]This man has been detected at failing to maintain proper records of his expenses claims before; yet now seeks to blame another for it... Surely, after the furore of the first incident; common sense dictates that you take better care of your own finances and not pass it off to someone else, where the probability of it re-occurring is higher, as they don't have your fear of yet more recriminations. ... Whilst your comment is perfectly laudable and acceptable, it doesn't mean to say that I cannot demand that any bad apple isn't sought out and dealt with, severely. ... What you fail to see here is, many of us expect better standards than we ourselves adhere to, than is currently being shown by our supposed 'elders and betters'. Where MP's, bankers, insurance companies and anything financial is allowed to fiddle like a string section of ALL the orchestras in the country, there has to come a time when we say, enough is enough. And this, Sir, is just such a case! ... When you respond, feel free to insult my Magistrate parents, my personal probity and to denigrate the moral more that I've instilled in my children, as it seems as though you like to do this, instead of checking the direction of your own moral compass, in defending the indefensible corruption that is evinced in this article.. Or to put in it's most simplistic of terms, that any village idiot will understand.. He fiddled expenses, TWICE; which part of this, aren't you getting? woolywords
  • Score: 9

4:37pm Sun 29 Jun 14

woolywords says...

Here's a thought..
Why don't we get a bunch of people off the street, say a dozen of them, with an adjudicator to stop any bribery or cajoling then let them hear this, to decide whether he has done right or wrong?
Oh wait...
We already have that, it's called a Courts system, isn't it?
Silly me!
Next thing you know, I'll be expecting Justice..
Here's a thought.. Why don't we get a bunch of people off the street, say a dozen of them, with an adjudicator to stop any bribery or cajoling then let them hear this, to decide whether he has done right or wrong? Oh wait... We already have that, it's called a Courts system, isn't it? Silly me! Next thing you know, I'll be expecting Justice.. woolywords
  • Score: 9

9:27pm Sun 29 Jun 14

zabby says...

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle zabby
  • Score: -2

9:30pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Paul The Octopus Lives! says...

A few years ago Lancashire Police was named as "the best force in the country."

What has Clive Grunshaw added to this? All he has done is drag the force into the mud by submitting dodgy expenses. From what was reported in The Telegraph his last claims were absolutely criminal despite what the CPS thought.

The "redundancy" of his Chief Executive also appears like an unlawful pay-off to keep her mouth shut.

Mr Grunshaw is either incompetent or just a plain thief. Either way he has to go.
A few years ago Lancashire Police was named as "the best force in the country." What has Clive Grunshaw added to this? All he has done is drag the force into the mud by submitting dodgy expenses. From what was reported in The Telegraph his last claims were absolutely criminal despite what the CPS thought. The "redundancy" of his Chief Executive also appears like an unlawful pay-off to keep her mouth shut. Mr Grunshaw is either incompetent or just a plain thief. Either way he has to go. Paul The Octopus Lives!
  • Score: 3

9:40pm Sun 29 Jun 14

icannotrace says...

Snouts and Troughs
Snouts and Troughs icannotrace
  • Score: 4

10:04am Mon 30 Jun 14

Commenting says...

It really is no coincidence that whether Tory, Liberal or Labour, those who have never had a proper job and end up in a well paid non-job, all have the same ability to fiddle.
It really is no coincidence that whether Tory, Liberal or Labour, those who have never had a proper job and end up in a well paid non-job, all have the same ability to fiddle. Commenting
  • Score: 3

10:34am Mon 30 Jun 14

clickhere says...

If Mr Grunshaw was still delivering milk, I would be very careful to count my change when he came collecting on a Friday night!
Isn't it strange that 'errors' always seem give Grunshaw more than he was entitled to.
If Mr Grunshaw was still delivering milk, I would be very careful to count my change when he came collecting on a Friday night! Isn't it strange that 'errors' always seem give Grunshaw more than he was entitled to. clickhere
  • Score: 3

11:49am Mon 30 Jun 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

woolywords wrote:
clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
This man has been detected at failing to maintain proper records of his expenses claims before; yet now seeks to blame another for it...
Surely, after the furore of the first incident; common sense dictates that you take better care of your own finances and not pass it off to someone else, where the probability of it re-occurring is higher, as they don't have your fear of yet more recriminations.
...
Whilst your comment is perfectly laudable and acceptable, it doesn't mean to say that I cannot demand that any bad apple isn't sought out and dealt with, severely.
...
What you fail to see here is, many of us expect better standards than we ourselves adhere to, than is currently being shown by our supposed 'elders and betters'. Where MP's, bankers, insurance companies and anything financial is allowed to fiddle like a string section of ALL the orchestras in the country, there has to come a time when we say, enough is enough.
And this, Sir, is just such a case!
...
When you respond, feel free to insult my Magistrate parents, my personal probity and to denigrate the moral more that I've instilled in my children, as it seems as though you like to do this, instead of checking the direction of your own moral compass, in defending the indefensible corruption that is evinced in this article..
Or to put in it's most simplistic of terms, that any village idiot will understand..
He fiddled expenses, TWICE; which part of this, aren't you getting?
Did you not read my 2nd quote? Obviously not! I agree he's in the wrong, and I said that, but thanks for the educating article that you didn't need to tell me!
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]This man has been detected at failing to maintain proper records of his expenses claims before; yet now seeks to blame another for it... Surely, after the furore of the first incident; common sense dictates that you take better care of your own finances and not pass it off to someone else, where the probability of it re-occurring is higher, as they don't have your fear of yet more recriminations. ... Whilst your comment is perfectly laudable and acceptable, it doesn't mean to say that I cannot demand that any bad apple isn't sought out and dealt with, severely. ... What you fail to see here is, many of us expect better standards than we ourselves adhere to, than is currently being shown by our supposed 'elders and betters'. Where MP's, bankers, insurance companies and anything financial is allowed to fiddle like a string section of ALL the orchestras in the country, there has to come a time when we say, enough is enough. And this, Sir, is just such a case! ... When you respond, feel free to insult my Magistrate parents, my personal probity and to denigrate the moral more that I've instilled in my children, as it seems as though you like to do this, instead of checking the direction of your own moral compass, in defending the indefensible corruption that is evinced in this article.. Or to put in it's most simplistic of terms, that any village idiot will understand.. He fiddled expenses, TWICE; which part of this, aren't you getting?[/p][/quote]Did you not read my 2nd quote? Obviously not! I agree he's in the wrong, and I said that, but thanks for the educating article that you didn't need to tell me! clitheroe blue boy
  • Score: -2

11:55am Mon 30 Jun 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

zabby wrote:
clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle
Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me.

Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force.
[quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle[/p][/quote]Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me. Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force. clitheroe blue boy
  • Score: -1

8:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

slants says...

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions !!!!!! hahahaha
and what would that achieve you plonker ????firstly nothing would happen to them and then they would make your life a misery .Traffic cops etc every week etc etc
If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions !!!!!! hahahaha and what would that achieve you plonker ????firstly nothing would happen to them and then they would make your life a misery .Traffic cops etc every week etc etc slants
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

zabby says...

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle
Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me.

Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force.
You just don't get it,I have made a complaint against you lot it was so called dealt with internally ,I got a letter telling me the officer had been spoken to and advised not to behave in certain ways,that was that,as for a odd bad apple remember Hillsboro ?
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle[/p][/quote]Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me. Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it,I have made a complaint against you lot it was so called dealt with internally ,I got a letter telling me the officer had been spoken to and advised not to behave in certain ways,that was that,as for a odd bad apple remember Hillsboro ? zabby
  • Score: 1

11:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

glossopkid says...

zabby wrote:
clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
clitheroe blue boy wrote:
zabby wrote:
He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him
All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?'

Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes!

I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do.

If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught?

If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.
Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle
Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me.

Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force.
You just don't get it,I have made a complaint against you lot it was so called dealt with internally ,I got a letter telling me the officer had been spoken to and advised not to behave in certain ways,that was that,as for a odd bad apple remember Hillsboro ?
You are absolutely right, a complaint about the police to the police is never taken seriously and is swept under the carpet.
The boys in blue look out for each other n cover each other's back!!!
[quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zabby[/bold] wrote: He's just a common thief ,simple as that,sack the cheating scum bag,if he keeps he's job all the other corrupt police might follow him thinking it's ok to rip off the people who pay their wages,most police show total disregard for the public especially if you're working class,sack the scum,charge him jail him[/p][/quote]All the 'other corrupt Police' and 'most Police show total disregard for the public especially if your working class?' Does this mean that you have encountered the attentions of the Police on several occasions? Or you know sone corrupt Police officers? I'm guessing the former unless you're an author on Police practises and attitudes! I proudly admit I know several officers, (all working class aswell) and having never been in trouble with the law, but have been a victim of crime, I have the upmost respect for the job they do. If you know any corrupt officers or have been shown bad manners/prejudice by the Police, I would advise you report it instead of just making assumptions based on the occasions you fell foul of the law of were caught? If I had committed a crime or been stopped speeding, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from the officer(s) dealing with me. Some manners yes, but a pat on the back no.[/p][/quote]Yes I have had dealings with the police,your mates ,but as a victim of crime shouldn't have bothered not worth the hassle[/p][/quote]Like I said Zabby, if you feel you were not treated properly or the Police officers who dealt with you were arrogant, rude, racist or something similar, then report it. I would if I felt they were with me. Just because I have a few friends who are in the Police, I wouldn't accept being treated unfairly or wrong, just because I knew somebody in the force.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it,I have made a complaint against you lot it was so called dealt with internally ,I got a letter telling me the officer had been spoken to and advised not to behave in certain ways,that was that,as for a odd bad apple remember Hillsboro ?[/p][/quote]You are absolutely right, a complaint about the police to the police is never taken seriously and is swept under the carpet. The boys in blue look out for each other n cover each other's back!!! glossopkid
  • Score: -2

7:27am Wed 9 Jul 14

Waterford Wench says...

Why is Mr Grunshaw still in office?
The people who put him there and voted for him did so with the full realisation that he was either incompetent or fiddling his expenses so what does that say about them?
He is in a highly paid position and seems to fiddle whilst Lancashire Police burns.
What is anyone going to do?
Nothing !
Why is Mr Grunshaw still in office? The people who put him there and voted for him did so with the full realisation that he was either incompetent or fiddling his expenses so what does that say about them? He is in a highly paid position and seems to fiddle whilst Lancashire Police burns. What is anyone going to do? Nothing ! Waterford Wench
  • Score: 1

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