UPDATE: Air ambulance called to two-vehicle smash on A59 near Gisburn

Chorley Citizen: Air ambulance called to three-car smash on A59 near Gisburn Air ambulance called to three-car smash on A59 near Gisburn

THE air ambulance has been called to the A59 near Gisburn this afternoon after two vehicles were involved in a crash.

The emergency services were called to the scene near the Burnley Road junction shortly after 1.30pm which left a van on its side.

Both carriageways on the A59 were closed due to the accident but the northbound section is now partially open with traffic passing through to Gisburn.

A VW Polo was smashed on one side.

The Police have warned drivers to avoid the area.

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3:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ. HarryBosch

3:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
Were you there? Do you know what happened or what caused it? I didn't think so. Who said it was due to driving standards? I'm sure the facts will be published in due time. Personally I just hope nobody was injured.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Were you there? Do you know what happened or what caused it? I didn't think so. Who said it was due to driving standards? I'm sure the facts will be published in due time. Personally I just hope nobody was injured. clitheroe blue boy

6:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

cloud99 says...

HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
Although i haven't seen exactly where the accident happened, it was definitely not in the village itself. Looking at the picture, it looks like it is somewhere past the Texaco garage.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Although i haven't seen exactly where the accident happened, it was definitely not in the village itself. Looking at the picture, it looks like it is somewhere past the Texaco garage. cloud99

6:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Kay-jay says...

I find it utterly ridiculous that peoples first concerns are that driving standards are going downhill. Surely your first though is that the people involved and their families are okay? I'm sure this was in a 60mph zone.
I find it utterly ridiculous that peoples first concerns are that driving standards are going downhill. Surely your first though is that the people involved and their families are okay? I'm sure this was in a 60mph zone. Kay-jay

6:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Saj143 says...

Kay-jay wrote:
I find it utterly ridiculous that peoples first concerns are that driving standards are going downhill. Surely your first though is that the people involved and their families are okay? I'm sure this was in a 60mph zone.
Well said !
[quote][p][bold]Kay-jay[/bold] wrote: I find it utterly ridiculous that peoples first concerns are that driving standards are going downhill. Surely your first though is that the people involved and their families are okay? I'm sure this was in a 60mph zone.[/p][/quote]Well said ! Saj143

7:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ex-Darrener says...

Hear, hear. The cause could be any one of a number of things. Methinks someone is in danger of giving Michael Connelly's great fictional detective a bad name...
Hear, hear. The cause could be any one of a number of things. Methinks someone is in danger of giving Michael Connelly's great fictional detective a bad name... Ex-Darrener

8:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

It happened about 300 yards past the entrance to the Stirk House Towards Gisburn. No major injuries thankfully.
It happened about 300 yards past the entrance to the Stirk House Towards Gisburn. No major injuries thankfully. Steven Seagull

8:19pm Fri 7 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

Firstly, if I have upset anyone by not expressing my concern for the persons involved in this collision then I sincerely apologise. My whole raison d'etre in being so vociferous about road safety issues reported in this paper is to raise awareness so, hopefully, my comments may make people think about the way they drive, and maybe reduce casualty figures. As I have said previously in these posts, I am an ex professional driver of over 30yrs and over one and a half million miles experience of driving in and around Blackburn, Hyndburn and the Ribble Valley. I have seen first hand, on too many occasions, the results of bad, dangerous and illegal driving. These include being first on scene at four fatal REP'S (or RTI's as they are now referred to). These include two pedestrians a motorcyclist and a 19yr old lad who I tried, but failed, to rescue from a burning vehicle. The latter almost cost me my own life. In addition, I have been the victim of dangerous or careless drivers on numerous occasions, including two drivers who have pulled out from the side of the pavement and collided with me, one driver who opened their door on me and, on another occasion, whilst I was waiting to turn right from Livsey Branch Road into Moorgate Street, I was hospitalised when a driver ran into the back of me in heavy rain. Witnesses said he never braked, he said in interview that he didn't see me!
If, by relating my experiences and commenting in a positive way, I can make just one person change a bad driving habit then I will be happy.
I don't believe in dangerous roads, just dangerous drivers. Most "accidents" are caused by bad or downright dangerous driving.
Happy motoring and stay safe.
Firstly, if I have upset anyone by not expressing my concern for the persons involved in this collision then I sincerely apologise. My whole raison d'etre in being so vociferous about road safety issues reported in this paper is to raise awareness so, hopefully, my comments may make people think about the way they drive, and maybe reduce casualty figures. As I have said previously in these posts, I am an ex professional driver of over 30yrs and over one and a half million miles experience of driving in and around Blackburn, Hyndburn and the Ribble Valley. I have seen first hand, on too many occasions, the results of bad, dangerous and illegal driving. These include being first on scene at four fatal REP'S (or RTI's as they are now referred to). These include two pedestrians a motorcyclist and a 19yr old lad who I tried, but failed, to rescue from a burning vehicle. The latter almost cost me my own life. In addition, I have been the victim of dangerous or careless drivers on numerous occasions, including two drivers who have pulled out from the side of the pavement and collided with me, one driver who opened their door on me and, on another occasion, whilst I was waiting to turn right from Livsey Branch Road into Moorgate Street, I was hospitalised when a driver ran into the back of me in heavy rain. Witnesses said he never braked, he said in interview that he didn't see me! If, by relating my experiences and commenting in a positive way, I can make just one person change a bad driving habit then I will be happy. I don't believe in dangerous roads, just dangerous drivers. Most "accidents" are caused by bad or downright dangerous driving. Happy motoring and stay safe. HarryBosch

8:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

My predictive text is playing up. For REP'S read RTA's
My predictive text is playing up. For REP'S read RTA's HarryBosch

11:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ted1951 says...

HarryBosch wrote:
Firstly, if I have upset anyone by not expressing my concern for the persons involved in this collision then I sincerely apologise. My whole raison d'etre in being so vociferous about road safety issues reported in this paper is to raise awareness so, hopefully, my comments may make people think about the way they drive, and maybe reduce casualty figures. As I have said previously in these posts, I am an ex professional driver of over 30yrs and over one and a half million miles experience of driving in and around Blackburn, Hyndburn and the Ribble Valley. I have seen first hand, on too many occasions, the results of bad, dangerous and illegal driving. These include being first on scene at four fatal REP'S (or RTI's as they are now referred to). These include two pedestrians a motorcyclist and a 19yr old lad who I tried, but failed, to rescue from a burning vehicle. The latter almost cost me my own life. In addition, I have been the victim of dangerous or careless drivers on numerous occasions, including two drivers who have pulled out from the side of the pavement and collided with me, one driver who opened their door on me and, on another occasion, whilst I was waiting to turn right from Livsey Branch Road into Moorgate Street, I was hospitalised when a driver ran into the back of me in heavy rain. Witnesses said he never braked, he said in interview that he didn't see me!
If, by relating my experiences and commenting in a positive way, I can make just one person change a bad driving habit then I will be happy.
I don't believe in dangerous roads, just dangerous drivers. Most "accidents" are caused by bad or downright dangerous driving.
Happy motoring and stay safe.
After 35 years in one of the the emergency services, I have to agree with the above (Harry). I've come across a lot of dead bodies in R.T.A.'s (I still call them that which is wrong). There are no dangerous roads only roads which need more care than others. This R.T.A. was not in Gisburn but just outside the village, not in the 30 mph limit.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: Firstly, if I have upset anyone by not expressing my concern for the persons involved in this collision then I sincerely apologise. My whole raison d'etre in being so vociferous about road safety issues reported in this paper is to raise awareness so, hopefully, my comments may make people think about the way they drive, and maybe reduce casualty figures. As I have said previously in these posts, I am an ex professional driver of over 30yrs and over one and a half million miles experience of driving in and around Blackburn, Hyndburn and the Ribble Valley. I have seen first hand, on too many occasions, the results of bad, dangerous and illegal driving. These include being first on scene at four fatal REP'S (or RTI's as they are now referred to). These include two pedestrians a motorcyclist and a 19yr old lad who I tried, but failed, to rescue from a burning vehicle. The latter almost cost me my own life. In addition, I have been the victim of dangerous or careless drivers on numerous occasions, including two drivers who have pulled out from the side of the pavement and collided with me, one driver who opened their door on me and, on another occasion, whilst I was waiting to turn right from Livsey Branch Road into Moorgate Street, I was hospitalised when a driver ran into the back of me in heavy rain. Witnesses said he never braked, he said in interview that he didn't see me! If, by relating my experiences and commenting in a positive way, I can make just one person change a bad driving habit then I will be happy. I don't believe in dangerous roads, just dangerous drivers. Most "accidents" are caused by bad or downright dangerous driving. Happy motoring and stay safe.[/p][/quote]After 35 years in one of the the emergency services, I have to agree with the above (Harry). I've come across a lot of dead bodies in R.T.A.'s (I still call them that which is wrong). There are no dangerous roads only roads which need more care than others. This R.T.A. was not in Gisburn but just outside the village, not in the 30 mph limit. ted1951

1:32am Sat 8 Feb 14

Kay-jay says...

Well my dad was the man in the vw polo. He is fine now. I think the other man involved is also fine but ther was another vehicle apparently involved so if anyone witnessed the crash it would be good to come forward with information.
Well my dad was the man in the vw polo. He is fine now. I think the other man involved is also fine but ther was another vehicle apparently involved so if anyone witnessed the crash it would be good to come forward with information. Kay-jay

7:13am Sat 8 Feb 14

Jimbok says...

HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others. Jimbok

7:24am Sat 8 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

Jimbok wrote:
HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.
Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported.
[quote][p][bold]Jimbok[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.[/p][/quote]Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported. HarryBosch

9:03am Sat 8 Feb 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

HarryBosch wrote:
Jimbok wrote:
HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.
Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported.
I would suggest Harry that you shouldn't believe everything you read then, until you know yourself 100%. Then, and only then can you make an accurate comment unlike your original one that you got so wrong. Unless I'm missing something, there is still no mention of 'driver error' or that it was caused by poor/bad driving standards? But as you were a professional driver for over 30 years and telling us all your life story when somebody is in hospital is a serious condition, I guess that makes you an expert on all RTC's?


Kay-jay, I sincerely hope your dad makes a full recovery and that he isn't in hospital too long.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimbok[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.[/p][/quote]Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported.[/p][/quote]I would suggest Harry that you shouldn't believe everything you read then, until you know yourself 100%. Then, and only then can you make an accurate comment unlike your original one that you got so wrong. Unless I'm missing something, there is still no mention of 'driver error' or that it was caused by poor/bad driving standards? But as you were a professional driver for over 30 years and telling us all your life story when somebody is in hospital is a serious condition, I guess that makes you an expert on all RTC's? Kay-jay, I sincerely hope your dad makes a full recovery and that he isn't in hospital too long. clitheroe blue boy

10:17am Sat 8 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

Clitheroe Blue Boy - I hope, if you are a driver, that your attention to your driving is better than your attention to reading this story as you appear to miss reading the relevant bits and seem more interested in criticising my comments. In your first comment, after your criticism of mine, you write "personally I hope nobody was injured". Well, that seems highly unlikely since the headline is that the air ambulance attended the incident. In earlier comments Kay-jay stated that it was her/his father who was involved and is now fine (I'm sure everyone will be as relieved as I am Kay-jay) as is the other driver. You then criticise me for commenting whilst someone is in hospital in critical condition! No mention of anyone even being in hospital let alone what condition they may be in! I apologised if my apparent lack of concern upset anyone but went on to give as full an explanation as I could for my concern. It appears that that wasn't sufficient for you, but then again it appears that your sole motive for your comments is to simply criticise mine.
I say again, my reason for commenting on issues of road safety is that I have seen too much of the trauma that is caused by bad and dangerous driving and I would really like to see a reduction in casualty figures on Britain's roads.
My comment regarding speed being a possible factor in this incident was based on the LT's reported location. Having said that, the LT are noted for getting things wrong. However, as regards your comment "don't believe everything you read" seems a bit odd as the sole purpose of any newspaper is that it is published with the intention that it IS read!
Clitheroe Blue Boy - I hope, if you are a driver, that your attention to your driving is better than your attention to reading this story as you appear to miss reading the relevant bits and seem more interested in criticising my comments. In your first comment, after your criticism of mine, you write "personally I hope nobody was injured". Well, that seems highly unlikely since the headline is that the air ambulance attended the incident. In earlier comments Kay-jay stated that it was her/his father who was involved and is now fine (I'm sure everyone will be as relieved as I am Kay-jay) as is the other driver. You then criticise me for commenting whilst someone is in hospital in critical condition! No mention of anyone even being in hospital let alone what condition they may be in! I apologised if my apparent lack of concern upset anyone but went on to give as full an explanation as I could for my concern. It appears that that wasn't sufficient for you, but then again it appears that your sole motive for your comments is to simply criticise mine. I say again, my reason for commenting on issues of road safety is that I have seen too much of the trauma that is caused by bad and dangerous driving and I would really like to see a reduction in casualty figures on Britain's roads. My comment regarding speed being a possible factor in this incident was based on the LT's reported location. Having said that, the LT are noted for getting things wrong. However, as regards your comment "don't believe everything you read" seems a bit odd as the sole purpose of any newspaper is that it is published with the intention that it IS read! HarryBosch

1:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

clitheroe blue boy wrote:
HarryBosch wrote:
Jimbok wrote:
HarryBosch wrote:
The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed!
And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.
I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.
Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported.
I would suggest Harry that you shouldn't believe everything you read then, until you know yourself 100%. Then, and only then can you make an accurate comment unlike your original one that you got so wrong. Unless I'm missing something, there is still no mention of 'driver error' or that it was caused by poor/bad driving standards? But as you were a professional driver for over 30 years and telling us all your life story when somebody is in hospital is a serious condition, I guess that makes you an expert on all RTC's?


Kay-jay, I sincerely hope your dad makes a full recovery and that he isn't in hospital too long.
With his experience It does mean he probably knows what he's talking about more than most.
[quote][p][bold]clitheroe blue boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimbok[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: The location identified is a 30mph zone in the centre of the village. Three cars involved, one car on its side?? Sounds like somebody was travelling at some serious speed! And a fellow poster argued with me that driving standards are not slipping. I beg to differ.[/p][/quote]I drove through Gisburn shortly after the incident and it was NOT in the centre of Gisburn. The police officer told me it was quite a way outside the village towards Clitheroe, which is NOT 30 mph. Perhaps you should check your facts before making silly patronising comments about the driving standards of others.[/p][/quote]Read the story and the location is given as the A59 at Gisburn near to the Burnley Road junction. That location is 30mph. Blame LT for the inaccuracy, I just commented on what they reported.[/p][/quote]I would suggest Harry that you shouldn't believe everything you read then, until you know yourself 100%. Then, and only then can you make an accurate comment unlike your original one that you got so wrong. Unless I'm missing something, there is still no mention of 'driver error' or that it was caused by poor/bad driving standards? But as you were a professional driver for over 30 years and telling us all your life story when somebody is in hospital is a serious condition, I guess that makes you an expert on all RTC's? Kay-jay, I sincerely hope your dad makes a full recovery and that he isn't in hospital too long.[/p][/quote]With his experience It does mean he probably knows what he's talking about more than most. Steven Seagull

2:40am Mon 10 Feb 14

clitheroe blue boy says...

HarryBosch wrote:
Clitheroe Blue Boy - I hope, if you are a driver, that your attention to your driving is better than your attention to reading this story as you appear to miss reading the relevant bits and seem more interested in criticising my comments. In your first comment, after your criticism of mine, you write "personally I hope nobody was injured". Well, that seems highly unlikely since the headline is that the air ambulance attended the incident. In earlier comments Kay-jay stated that it was her/his father who was involved and is now fine (I'm sure everyone will be as relieved as I am Kay-jay) as is the other driver. You then criticise me for commenting whilst someone is in hospital in critical condition! No mention of anyone even being in hospital let alone what condition they may be in! I apologised if my apparent lack of concern upset anyone but went on to give as full an explanation as I could for my concern. It appears that that wasn't sufficient for you, but then again it appears that your sole motive for your comments is to simply criticise mine.
I say again, my reason for commenting on issues of road safety is that I have seen too much of the trauma that is caused by bad and dangerous driving and I would really like to see a reduction in casualty figures on Britain's roads.
My comment regarding speed being a possible factor in this incident was based on the LT's reported location. Having said that, the LT are noted for getting things wrong. However, as regards your comment "don't believe everything you read" seems a bit odd as the sole purpose of any newspaper is that it is published with the intention that it IS read!
Harry, on the initial report from the LT, there was no mention of anybody being injured, but yes it was reported that the air ambulance was deployed hence my comment of 'I hope nobody was injured' (before later reports of any possible injuries) That doesn't mean there was any injuries at all? I was once on my way to work when I stopped to help and was '1st at the scene' of what initially looked like a very very minor RTC and the driver said they were paralysed, so the fire brigade were called and were about to cut the roof off his expensively modified car, when hey presto he jumped out of his car with no injuries claiming he was cured! Compensation sprung to mind!

All I meant to say was, my first thoughts were that I hope nobody was seriously injured, and not to accredit blame due to 'poor driving standards' when there was no suggestion there was, but then we got your life story as a professional driver. Although it was slightly interesting!
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: Clitheroe Blue Boy - I hope, if you are a driver, that your attention to your driving is better than your attention to reading this story as you appear to miss reading the relevant bits and seem more interested in criticising my comments. In your first comment, after your criticism of mine, you write "personally I hope nobody was injured". Well, that seems highly unlikely since the headline is that the air ambulance attended the incident. In earlier comments Kay-jay stated that it was her/his father who was involved and is now fine (I'm sure everyone will be as relieved as I am Kay-jay) as is the other driver. You then criticise me for commenting whilst someone is in hospital in critical condition! No mention of anyone even being in hospital let alone what condition they may be in! I apologised if my apparent lack of concern upset anyone but went on to give as full an explanation as I could for my concern. It appears that that wasn't sufficient for you, but then again it appears that your sole motive for your comments is to simply criticise mine. I say again, my reason for commenting on issues of road safety is that I have seen too much of the trauma that is caused by bad and dangerous driving and I would really like to see a reduction in casualty figures on Britain's roads. My comment regarding speed being a possible factor in this incident was based on the LT's reported location. Having said that, the LT are noted for getting things wrong. However, as regards your comment "don't believe everything you read" seems a bit odd as the sole purpose of any newspaper is that it is published with the intention that it IS read![/p][/quote]Harry, on the initial report from the LT, there was no mention of anybody being injured, but yes it was reported that the air ambulance was deployed hence my comment of 'I hope nobody was injured' (before later reports of any possible injuries) That doesn't mean there was any injuries at all? I was once on my way to work when I stopped to help and was '1st at the scene' of what initially looked like a very very minor RTC and the driver said they were paralysed, so the fire brigade were called and were about to cut the roof off his expensively modified car, when hey presto he jumped out of his car with no injuries claiming he was cured! Compensation sprung to mind! All I meant to say was, my first thoughts were that I hope nobody was seriously injured, and not to accredit blame due to 'poor driving standards' when there was no suggestion there was, but then we got your life story as a professional driver. Although it was slightly interesting! clitheroe blue boy

9:21am Mon 10 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

CAB - Why did I, in my initial post, refer to driving standards? Well, I read the headline which made much of the attendance of the air ambulance, which indicated to me a level of seriousness. I then read in the article that a collision had occurred which had left a vehicle on it's side in a location that the LT said was near to the junction of Burnley Road in Gisburn which, to anybody who is familiar with that location, knows it to be a 30mph limit. So, my initial thoughts were that it would take some high energy forces to overturn a vehicle hence that led me to believe that speed was a probable factor. So it was that combination which suggested to me that poor driving standards were involved.
I hope that answers your main question.
As regards 'giving my life story' - I gave you an explanation as to why road safety is an important issue to me. But, believe me, the small example i highlighted doesn't even scratch the surface.
But, in my opinion, this whole issue of whether it was appropriate to comment on driving standards, was caused by LT's inaccurate reporting of the proper location. If they hadn't mentioned Burnley Road then I may not have even commented at such an early stage.
I hope I have adequately explained myself now and we can put this issue to bed. Have a good day sir.
CAB - Why did I, in my initial post, refer to driving standards? Well, I read the headline which made much of the attendance of the air ambulance, which indicated to me a level of seriousness. I then read in the article that a collision had occurred which had left a vehicle on it's side in a location that the LT said was near to the junction of Burnley Road in Gisburn which, to anybody who is familiar with that location, knows it to be a 30mph limit. So, my initial thoughts were that it would take some high energy forces to overturn a vehicle hence that led me to believe that speed was a probable factor. So it was that combination which suggested to me that poor driving standards were involved. I hope that answers your main question. As regards 'giving my life story' - I gave you an explanation as to why road safety is an important issue to me. But, believe me, the small example i highlighted doesn't even scratch the surface. But, in my opinion, this whole issue of whether it was appropriate to comment on driving standards, was caused by LT's inaccurate reporting of the proper location. If they hadn't mentioned Burnley Road then I may not have even commented at such an early stage. I hope I have adequately explained myself now and we can put this issue to bed. Have a good day sir. HarryBosch

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