Police to target pubgoers morning after night out

Chorley Citizen: Police to target pubgoers the morning after Police to target pubgoers the morning after

TRAFFIC cops are targeting drinkers picking their cars up from pubs the morning after a night out.

The warning comes as police step up their anti-drink and drug driving campaign for the festive period.

The move was welcomed by road safety charities, who said the tactic would act as a deterrent to those considering getting into a car after drinking.

But pub landlords said they felt the scheme victimised people who thought they were doing the right thing by picking their vehicle up the next morning.

Sgt Claire Pearson, from road policing, said patrols were always ‘specifically targeted’.

She said: “We set patrols up outside of pubs at all times of day, including the morning.

“We have a whole range of locations, for example, town centre car parks.

“The next morning, they might think they are all right, but if they did not stop drinking until 4am, they are certainly not all right.

“We also target mums on the school run, who might have had a bottle of wine on the night time and not even think about it the next morning.”

Matt Worden, who runs The Sun and The Crown pubs, in Darwen, said he thought bars were an easy target.

He said: “It is like people are trying to do the right thing, but they are still getting penalised for it.

“We have had some punters say this has happened to them. Drinkers will feel like they are being victimised.”

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1:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

shytalk says...

But pub landlords said they felt the scheme victimised people who thought they were doing the right thing by picking their vehicle up the next morning????
Err sorry but the chances are you could still be over the limit and ruin someones Christmas and worse. Fair play to the coppers for trying to prevent death on the roads. Whilst they are doing it i would like to see the police a bit more pro active in busting those who seem to think they don't need lights on their pushbikes when they are riding along the road at night. or car drivers that seem to think cyclists don't exist when they pull ourt in front of them or cut them up as if they shouldn't be there.
But pub landlords said they felt the scheme victimised people who thought they were doing the right thing by picking their vehicle up the next morning???? Err sorry but the chances are you could still be over the limit and ruin someones Christmas and worse. Fair play to the coppers for trying to prevent death on the roads. Whilst they are doing it i would like to see the police a bit more pro active in busting those who seem to think they don't need lights on their pushbikes when they are riding along the road at night. or car drivers that seem to think cyclists don't exist when they pull ourt in front of them or cut them up as if they shouldn't be there. shytalk

1:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

darwenTower says...

Shytalk,
I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.
Shytalk, I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning. darwenTower

1:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Frisson says...

maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!! Frisson

1:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

shytalk says...

darwenTower wrote:
Shytalk,
I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.
So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult?
It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive.
[quote][p][bold]darwenTower[/bold] wrote: Shytalk, I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult? It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive. shytalk

2:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Benjamin James says...

Frisson wrote:
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
^ This comment is what it's about.


I do believe this is a good thing, regardless of whether or not you believe you're doing the right thing by picking your car up in the morning, if you're over the limit the next day, you're over the limit. I believe what the police are doing is justifiable and anyone who says otherwise needs to understand one thing and one thing only. If you don't want to be breathalised, stopped and found to be over the limit don't go out the night before or make sure you wait long enough for all alcohol to leave your system.
A night in bed after a night out drinking is not enough to get rid of the alcohol in your system. Lets just hope that no one actually gets caught because no one is ignorant enough to assume they're fine.
[quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!![/p][/quote]^ This comment is what it's about. I do believe this is a good thing, regardless of whether or not you believe you're doing the right thing by picking your car up in the morning, if you're over the limit the next day, you're over the limit. I believe what the police are doing is justifiable and anyone who says otherwise needs to understand one thing and one thing only. If you don't want to be breathalised, stopped and found to be over the limit don't go out the night before or make sure you wait long enough for all alcohol to leave your system. A night in bed after a night out drinking is not enough to get rid of the alcohol in your system. Lets just hope that no one actually gets caught because no one is ignorant enough to assume they're fine. Benjamin James

2:06pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Aztec freestyle says...

I think frisson has hit the nail on the head. Give drivers a chance not everyone knows whether they are over the limit or not.
I think frisson has hit the nail on the head. Give drivers a chance not everyone knows whether they are over the limit or not. Aztec freestyle

2:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

darwenTower says...

shytalk wrote:
darwenTower wrote:
Shytalk,
I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.
So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult?
It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive.
Well firstly, you read what I said so you know exactly what I was saying.

If you get up in the moring after a night out with a furry mouth, a banging head and double vision then it wouldn't be wise to go back and get the car, granted.

But what is 'over the limit'?
If you've left your car at the pub overnight and gone back the next day then I would suspect that even if you weren't on 'full form' you'd be the sort of driver who operates with care generally and is as such highly unlikely to cause an incident.

I'd be more interested in the Police punishing people who cause incidents, period, rather than this box-ticking policing that we get now. The roads are full of drivers not fit to be on them withought a miligram of alcohol in their system.

But back to my originall point, if someone can demonstrate that the danger on our roads presents itself in the form of someone who has had a few at the pub the night before, or a school run mum who had a bottle of wine the night before, i'll happily concede.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darwenTower[/bold] wrote: Shytalk, I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult? It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive.[/p][/quote]Well firstly, you read what I said so you know exactly what I was saying. If you get up in the moring after a night out with a furry mouth, a banging head and double vision then it wouldn't be wise to go back and get the car, granted. But what is 'over the limit'? If you've left your car at the pub overnight and gone back the next day then I would suspect that even if you weren't on 'full form' you'd be the sort of driver who operates with care generally and is as such highly unlikely to cause an incident. I'd be more interested in the Police punishing people who cause incidents, period, rather than this box-ticking policing that we get now. The roads are full of drivers not fit to be on them withought a miligram of alcohol in their system. But back to my originall point, if someone can demonstrate that the danger on our roads presents itself in the form of someone who has had a few at the pub the night before, or a school run mum who had a bottle of wine the night before, i'll happily concede. darwenTower

2:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

HarryBosch says...

There's no excuses for drink driving. But let's not get carried away here. Most drivers are responsible people who will have a good idea about whether or not they are over the limit.
I don't have a problem with random or targeted breath checks if it means my life is not put at risk by the minority of motorists who will drink and drive no matter how much campaigning is done!
Enjoy your holiday festivities and stay safe - Merry Christmas
There's no excuses for drink driving. But let's not get carried away here. Most drivers are responsible people who will have a good idea about whether or not they are over the limit. I don't have a problem with random or targeted breath checks if it means my life is not put at risk by the minority of motorists who will drink and drive no matter how much campaigning is done! Enjoy your holiday festivities and stay safe - Merry Christmas HarryBosch

3:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Benjamin James says...

darwenTower wrote:
shytalk wrote:
darwenTower wrote:
Shytalk,
I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.
So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult?
It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive.
Well firstly, you read what I said so you know exactly what I was saying.

If you get up in the moring after a night out with a furry mouth, a banging head and double vision then it wouldn't be wise to go back and get the car, granted.

But what is 'over the limit'?
If you've left your car at the pub overnight and gone back the next day then I would suspect that even if you weren't on 'full form' you'd be the sort of driver who operates with care generally and is as such highly unlikely to cause an incident.

I'd be more interested in the Police punishing people who cause incidents, period, rather than this box-ticking policing that we get now. The roads are full of drivers not fit to be on them withought a miligram of alcohol in their system.

But back to my originall point, if someone can demonstrate that the danger on our roads presents itself in the form of someone who has had a few at the pub the night before, or a school run mum who had a bottle of wine the night before, i'll happily concede.
Darwen Tower, I see the point you're strongly trying to make and I agree with you on a social level. If you are a responsible person who has been out the night before and had a drink and are confident enough and comfortable enough to drive then there isn't necessarily anything wrong with it.

The point on the contrary however is the simple fact that regardless of who you are, man or woman, alcohol in your system the morning after the night before should be treated as a potential accident waiting to happen. As much as the majority of the UK hate this nanny state that we are living in, it's better to slowly but surely promote and integrate a zero tolerance attitude towards driving whilst under the influence of any substance which takes sobriety away from you. I get the feeling that you are a man in his 30's or beyond that and if so I assume that you have your wits about you.

The issue that the police are trying to enforce is that there are no exceptions. The one thing I have always found through friends and family members alike is the "it won't happen to me" attitude of getting caught or involved in an accident. At the scene of a traffic incident once the police question whether or not you have had a drink and you respond last night, you will be breathalised and if over or touching the limit you're to blame, regardless of how events transpired.

This is a good thing, if the police stopped people before entering their vehicles it would be a much more civil and justified way of going about this, but for now as long as entrapment doesn't play a part and the police do their duty to protect the public as well as the potential "drink driver" in these cases then there should be no complaints.

If you had a pint the night before or a glass of wine, there shouldn't be a problem but the "run mums" you said (which I read as rum mums) would not be acceptable as you should know as a person who drinks, what the lasting and short term effects of it are. Most over a certain age with a certain experience of drinking and experience of driving feel confident and comfortable with what they can handle and their limits etc. No one is telling you your own limits, but in regards to safety and the law, if you've had a full bottle of red the night before and are taking the kids to school with a subtle hangover, you should be more assessing why you need to drink an entire bottle of wine before you know you're going to be up and having to drive early the next morning.
[quote][p][bold]darwenTower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darwenTower[/bold] wrote: Shytalk, I would like to see figures for how many fatalities, or even accidents, have been caused by the sort of responsible adult who would leave their car at a pub and pick it up in the morning.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying Darwen Tower is that if you pick your car up in the morning and are still over the limit then you are a responsible adult? It doesn,t matter whether it's morning night or afternoon, if you are over the limit and you kill someone then it's your fault. or it was when i learned to drive.[/p][/quote]Well firstly, you read what I said so you know exactly what I was saying. If you get up in the moring after a night out with a furry mouth, a banging head and double vision then it wouldn't be wise to go back and get the car, granted. But what is 'over the limit'? If you've left your car at the pub overnight and gone back the next day then I would suspect that even if you weren't on 'full form' you'd be the sort of driver who operates with care generally and is as such highly unlikely to cause an incident. I'd be more interested in the Police punishing people who cause incidents, period, rather than this box-ticking policing that we get now. The roads are full of drivers not fit to be on them withought a miligram of alcohol in their system. But back to my originall point, if someone can demonstrate that the danger on our roads presents itself in the form of someone who has had a few at the pub the night before, or a school run mum who had a bottle of wine the night before, i'll happily concede.[/p][/quote]Darwen Tower, I see the point you're strongly trying to make and I agree with you on a social level. If you are a responsible person who has been out the night before and had a drink and are confident enough and comfortable enough to drive then there isn't necessarily anything wrong with it. The point on the contrary however is the simple fact that regardless of who you are, man or woman, alcohol in your system the morning after the night before should be treated as a potential accident waiting to happen. As much as the majority of the UK hate this nanny state that we are living in, it's better to slowly but surely promote and integrate a zero tolerance attitude towards driving whilst under the influence of any substance which takes sobriety away from you. I get the feeling that you are a man in his 30's or beyond that and if so I assume that you have your wits about you. The issue that the police are trying to enforce is that there are no exceptions. The one thing I have always found through friends and family members alike is the "it won't happen to me" attitude of getting caught or involved in an accident. At the scene of a traffic incident once the police question whether or not you have had a drink and you respond last night, you will be breathalised and if over or touching the limit you're to blame, regardless of how events transpired. This is a good thing, if the police stopped people before entering their vehicles it would be a much more civil and justified way of going about this, but for now as long as entrapment doesn't play a part and the police do their duty to protect the public as well as the potential "drink driver" in these cases then there should be no complaints. If you had a pint the night before or a glass of wine, there shouldn't be a problem but the "run mums" you said (which I read as rum mums) would not be acceptable as you should know as a person who drinks, what the lasting and short term effects of it are. Most over a certain age with a certain experience of drinking and experience of driving feel confident and comfortable with what they can handle and their limits etc. No one is telling you your own limits, but in regards to safety and the law, if you've had a full bottle of red the night before and are taking the kids to school with a subtle hangover, you should be more assessing why you need to drink an entire bottle of wine before you know you're going to be up and having to drive early the next morning. Benjamin James

4:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

woolywords says...

Legally, if you are stood next to the vehicle, with the keys in your pocket, you are in possession of it and may be breathalysed. You do not have to make an attempt to drive it. Even if you decide to 'sleep it off' in the car, you are still liable.
Simply put, you either drink or drive, not both.
Am glad to see that they intend to target those under the influence of drugs, at last. Perhaps they would like to have a word with the taxi drivers who smoke, while they at it.
Legally, if you are stood next to the vehicle, with the keys in your pocket, you are in possession of it and may be breathalysed. You do not have to make an attempt to drive it. Even if you decide to 'sleep it off' in the car, you are still liable. Simply put, you either drink or drive, not both. Am glad to see that they intend to target those under the influence of drugs, at last. Perhaps they would like to have a word with the taxi drivers who smoke, while they at it. woolywords

5:05pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

Easy solution, ban alcohol! (sorry my old dribble!)
Easy solution, ban alcohol! (sorry my old dribble!) Sajdin

6:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Frisson wrote:
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen?

What an utter moron.
[quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!![/p][/quote]So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen? What an utter moron. You're not mugging me off that easily

8:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

trevhd says...

Good idea keep the **** heads off the roads .
Good idea keep the **** heads off the roads . trevhd

9:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

liddle 'un says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Frisson wrote:
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen?

What an utter moron.
Sorry but what could have been a reasonable post on your part has been ruined by your abusive narrative.

In mitigation, do you lack the benefit of a formal education?
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!![/p][/quote]So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen? What an utter moron.[/p][/quote]Sorry but what could have been a reasonable post on your part has been ruined by your abusive narrative. In mitigation, do you lack the benefit of a formal education? liddle 'un

10:32pm Thu 19 Dec 13

glossopkid says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Frisson wrote:
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen?

What an utter moron.
Muggins why do have to resort to name calling when a post does not agree with your opinion?

It really does baffle me when your so defensive about any negative comments to do with police officers.

Merry Christmas and have a safe one whilst your working with the boys in blue!!!!! :)
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!![/p][/quote]So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen? What an utter moron.[/p][/quote]Muggins why do have to resort to name calling when a post does not agree with your opinion? It really does baffle me when your so defensive about any negative comments to do with police officers. Merry Christmas and have a safe one whilst your working with the boys in blue!!!!! :) glossopkid

5:52am Fri 20 Dec 13

Lancs Away says...

As an adult surely each one knows how much they have had to drink, I think it is an excellent idea, the less drivers on the road with alcohol in their system the better....drink + drive = idiot....drink + pick up vehicle next morning = just as stupid....
As an adult surely each one knows how much they have had to drink, I think it is an excellent idea, the less drivers on the road with alcohol in their system the better....drink + drive = idiot....drink + pick up vehicle next morning = just as stupid.... Lancs Away

1:41pm Fri 20 Dec 13

sen c b l says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Frisson wrote:
maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!!
So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen?

What an utter moron.
What's up Mug?
Did she 'do one' after all with N4you?

Christmas all by yourself now heh. Ha tough!
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: maybe the police should stop people going to pick their cars up and breathalise them BEFORE they actually get in and start to drive. Then they can make alternate arrangements to getting to work etc. This would be better and more in line with the festive spirit rather than try and catch people out. Shame on the police!!![/p][/quote]So tell us all how the Police are going to know where every person that's been in the boozer the night before has left their cars then you narrow minded d1ckhead. And more to the point how many cops do you think are out there to enable your ridiculous suggestion to happen? What an utter moron.[/p][/quote]What's up Mug? Did she 'do one' after all with N4you? Christmas all by yourself now heh. Ha tough! sen c b l

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