East Lancashire MPs give view on possible pay rise (From Chorley Citizen)

I don't think they're paid enough. If they were paid a salary commensurate with their responsibility, then many wouldn't need to take up other jobs as well. They're supposed to be running our country yet there are people in Blackburn town hall who are getting paid more. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. If we want people who are dedicated to running the country well and spending all their time doing that and not sitting on company boards for extra income, then we need to pay them.

I believe they are paid a salary that reflects their responsibilities, these people who claim they are not should remember that when they decided to join this profession they knew the salary it commanded, most also have a second salary income and please don't believe they will stop doing that if paid more!,there is also the question of them wanting to keep their final pension when they have voted on reducing every other member of the public sector, once again hypocrites and double standards and they want us to trust them, disgusting.

I am in the public sector 0 % for the last 2 years then this year 1%.
That is what I expect every other Person who is payed by the state to get.
Including benefit scum and mps

happycyclist - agreed ..

though I would comment that -

1 - no other jobs whatsoever .
For Jack Straw to state openly that he earns more "outside" , clearly shows he is not giving 100% to his constituents .

2 - strict rules on expenses .
For example - house "flipping" is made a criminal offence . Claiming your main residence is a spare bedroom in your sister's house likewise. Etc etc.

3 - pensions ? - same as us .

4 - one last point - to my old mate 2for5p . Not personal .

I have a lot of respect for Council employees . Specificaly those who work all hours , emptying the bins for example . Those who are literally as we speak preparing for the snow .

I have no respect whatsoever for those who work for the Council in
diversity coordinaion , statistic preparaton , gender equality , let's
have another meeting - especially when they earn more than MP 's .

I would like my poll tax , rates or whatever it's called now to put Police on the streets . Ensure The Fire Brigade has adequate resources .

2 for 5p wrote:
I am in the public sector 0 % for the last 2 years then this year 1%.
That is what I expect every other Person who is payed by the state to get.
Including benefit scum and mps

Your views and judgement about people on benefits is nothing short of insulting and disgusting. Are the 700 who have just lost their jobs at Honda and will have to claim benefits scum as well? If you work in the public sector as you claim then you must have been on a gilt edged pension and full sick pay etc. You are paid by the tax payer. with attitudes like yours I hope your little section is privatised soon.

spoonfullofsugar wrote:
I believe they are paid a salary that reflects their responsibilities, these people who claim they are not should remember that when they decided to join this profession they knew the salary it commanded, most also have a second salary income and please don't believe they will stop doing that if paid more!,there is also the question of them wanting to keep their final pension when they have voted on reducing every other member of the public sector, once again hypocrites and double standards and they want us to trust them, disgusting.

You don't need me to tell you were the trust was well and truely lost...And now that another government organisation is looking after their expenses then there is nothing being claimed by the MPs that they shouldn't claim because they're not like that we have a good honest bunch of hard working MPs running our country and we can trust them impeccably. Honest.

The annual “corruption index” from Transparency International - which has been published since 1995 - found that Britain had slipped one place to 17th out of 180 countries.
The UK is now more corrupt than countries like Japan, Hong Kong, Luxembourg and Austria. Transparency International gave the UK a Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) score of 7.7. Before 2008, the UK's score had never slipped below 8.
The non-governmental organisation, which is based in Berlin, blamed the poor showing on a collapse in confidence in politicians triggered by The Daily Telegraph’s revelations about MPs’ expenses.
There was also concern about the lingering failure of the UK to prosecute British companies from paying bribes abroad.
A spokesman said it was the UK's lowest score since at least 1998. He added: “Transparency International is concerned that the UK’s CPI score has deteriorated in recent years.

In the MPs' expenses controversy there is plenty to entertain and horrify, but the question that nags away unanswered is a very simple one: how did they feel entitled to make all these claims on the public purse? For a group of politicians who have been meticulously exacting in their calculations of benefit levels or pensions, how on earth did they feel they could extend such largesse to themselves?

The combined Ministerial and Parliamentary salaries for the current Government are:
Prime Minister £142,500; Cabinet Minister £134,565; Minister of State £98,740; Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State £89,435

The number of paid Ministerial posts is limited by law to 109. Any Ministerial appointments in excess of 109 must be unpaid.

A number of Parliamentary office holders also receive supplementary salaries. The Speaker receives a combined salary of £141,504.

Since late 2003, chairs of Select Committees have been entitled to an additional payment on top of their salaries; this is currently £14,582. In 2005 this additional salary was extended to the Chairmen's Panel - a group of around 30 MPs who chair other general Commons committees. Plus ex's.

I think it became us and them or them and us after the ex's scandal broke and that trust won't return untill we have a whole new set of politicians free from any connections to the three main parties. Who all seem to be "in it together" but forgot about us the tax paying voters along the way. "I feel like we have been sold out long ago"..and more and more are waking up to that dreadfull realisation every time they look in their empty kitchen cupboards on top of not being able to afford to get warm in their own homes due to energy EXPENSES.

mavrick wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
I am in the public sector 0 % for the last 2 years then this year 1%.
That is what I expect every other Person who is payed by the state to get.
Including benefit scum and mps

Your views and judgement about people on benefits is nothing short of insulting and disgusting. Are the 700 who have just lost their jobs at Honda and will have to claim benefits scum as well? If you work in the public sector as you claim then you must have been on a gilt edged pension and full sick pay etc. You are paid by the tax payer. with attitudes like yours I hope your little section is privatised soon.

Ok then maverick
How would you like me to refer to benefit scum, wouldyou like me to call them sir, or your lordship. Get real they are what that are inept spungers.

2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

mavrick wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
I am in the public sector 0 % for the last 2 years then this year 1%.
That is what I expect every other Person who is payed by the state to get.
Including benefit scum and mps

Your views and judgement about people on benefits is nothing short of insulting and disgusting. Are the 700 who have just lost their jobs at Honda and will have to claim benefits scum as well? If you work in the public sector as you claim then you must have been on a gilt edged pension and full sick pay etc. You are paid by the tax payer. with attitudes like yours I hope your little section is privatised soon.

Benefits are there to support people in transition from one job to another and should not be incentivised or increased in a time where other job sectors are seeing no advancement in pay.
I do not think 2 for 5p was talking about specific circumstances, most of them 700 people will use benefits, they are not scum, they have paid in to a system. Whilst the word scum is used may not support your views, they must have some experience to support their views.
You will find most of the DWP is 'privatised' as MPs siphon out work to the private sector where they can get more money from the public purse.

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

I doubt an 80 year old is looking for a job? and at 80, good innings, i doubt i will get there!

fireonthemountain says...
- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out.

How can the public sector workers of today hold the opinion that a person who has survived the second world war who most likely lost loved ones during those dreadfull years be regarded as scum? A retired person cannot be regarded as a sponger you dumb downed morons.

And its obvious to see why our country is so fcuked up because we have morons like 2 for 5p working in the public sector. If I was working in the public sector I would be very worried about working along side a person that thought our clients are scumbags.

Is that how all public sector working see the general public..?

As scumbags.

The bosses at BwD or the LCC had better watch their backs if thats how their employees view the general public.

I will be taking 2 for 5p comments to the town hall with me today to see if we can find out why public sector workers think that the unemployed and retired or just the general public are scumbags according to public sector workers who post on the Lancashire Telegraph site.

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

Info-warrior wrote:
fireonthemountain says...
- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out.

How can the public sector workers of today hold the opinion that a person who has survived the second world war who most likely lost loved ones during those dreadfull years be regarded as scum? A retired person cannot be regarded as a sponger you dumb downed morons.

And its obvious to see why our country is so fcuked up because we have morons like 2 for 5p working in the public sector. If I was working in the public sector I would be very worried about working along side a person that thought our clients are scumbags.

Is that how all public sector working see the general public..?

As scumbags.

The bosses at BwD or the LCC had better watch their backs if thats how their employees view the general public.

I will be taking 2 for 5p comments to the town hall with me today to see if we can find out why public sector workers think that the unemployed and retired or just the general public are scumbags according to public sector workers who post on the Lancashire Telegraph site.

6.09AM
info warrior is that you up early to go to your mind numbing factory job enjoy.

Info-warrior wrote:
fireonthemountain says... - he is almost 80 years old . - his wife has teminal bowel cancer . - and is in Hospital . - she will never come out. How can the public sector workers of today hold the opinion that a person who has survived the second world war who most likely lost loved ones during those dreadfull years be regarded as scum? A retired person cannot be regarded as a sponger you dumb downed morons. And its obvious to see why our country is so fcuked up because we have morons like 2 for 5p working in the public sector. If I was working in the public sector I would be very worried about working along side a person that thought our clients are scumbags. Is that how all public sector working see the general public..? As scumbags. The bosses at BwD or the LCC had better watch their backs if thats how their employees view the general public. I will be taking 2 for 5p comments to the town hall with me today to see if we can find out why public sector workers think that the unemployed and retired or just the general public are scumbags according to public sector workers who post on the Lancashire Telegraph site.

so the wind up merchant 2 for 5p says he's a public sector worker, calls people scumbags, and you fall for it?

Jesus wept.....

Being an MP for this country should be the honour and not simply because it's a job. A MP should be in parliament to serve the people and if they feel they need more money to do this then they should consider a different career in life.

There are lots of people who are in work but still claim benefits - working family tax credit, child benefit. Just because you claim benefits doesn't mean your scum, the majority of people have genuine reasons for claiming benefit but newspapers such as the Daily Mail or Tory MPs spout the usual drival about strivers and scroungers just to get votes.

As for MPs salaries, it isn't appropriate to set their own salary levels and whilst some public sector workers do earn high salaries the two can't be compared. MPs can claim expenses for second homes, furnishings and employ their own family as staff, plus in the long run they have massive earning potential with books, public appearances, TV programmes. Look at Michael Portilo jollying around the country on trains for the BBC.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

2 for 5p wrote:

fireonthemountain wrote:
2for5p -

perhaps you would like to explain your attitude to one of my neighbours .

- he is almost 80 years old .
- his wife has teminal bowel cancer .
- and is in Hospital .
- she will never come out .

He is heartbroken .

Is he on benefits ?

You tell me .

Social Services come round daily .
He has his house cleaned .

They take him to see his wife .

Meals on Wheels - whatever .

Really nice guy .

Worked all his life - paid his taxes .

All the neighbours help - including us .

Is he an "inept spunger" ?

Whatever that means .

And my poll tax pays your wages ?

Hang your head in shame .

what a fool you are :

I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

2 for 5p wrote : I was referring to adults of working age who do not have a job, and live off the backs of other workers.

That will be the general public then.?

How messed up is this fool.? People who are on benefits are the general public wether they're peadophjiles groomers rapist or just plain hoorible tw@ts like 2 for 5p.. They're the ones that 2 for 5p claims to care and work for in his old job as a pubic servant. And thats not a spelling mistalke. I say old job as I emailed his post toi the real public servants who don't take to kindly about plebs blackening their name.

jack daniels wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
fireonthemountain says... - he is almost 80 years old . - his wife has teminal bowel cancer . - and is in Hospital . - she will never come out. How can the public sector workers of today hold the opinion that a person who has survived the second world war who most likely lost loved ones during those dreadfull years be regarded as scum? A retired person cannot be regarded as a sponger you dumb downed morons. And its obvious to see why our country is so fcuked up because we have morons like 2 for 5p working in the public sector. If I was working in the public sector I would be very worried about working along side a person that thought our clients are scumbags. Is that how all public sector working see the general public..? As scumbags. The bosses at BwD or the LCC had better watch their backs if thats how their employees view the general public. I will be taking 2 for 5p comments to the town hall with me today to see if we can find out why public sector workers think that the unemployed and retired or just the general public are scumbags according to public sector workers who post on the Lancashire Telegraph site.

so the wind up merchant 2 for 5p says he's a public sector worker, calls people scumbags, and you fall for it?

Jesus wept.....

Am sure he isn't but it was fun complaining about his post.

Well - difficult to say about 2for5p .

I have no idea about his motivation .

Just seems like he is , well let's be kind , somewhat unpleasant .

Hopefully he does not work in Local Government .

Though it would not surprise me if he did . His spelling and punctuation says it all .

I would still like his definition of
"inept spungers" (sic) .

ok a quick English lesson for you:

Inept =unsuitable - inappropriate - improper - absurd

Sponge = A person who lives at others' expense. scrounger - hanger-on - cadger - freeloader.

There you go does that help you.

If you work for The Council - then that seems to describe
you exactly .