Drinkers barred from Chorley pub - for not supping up quick enough

Chorley Citizen: Tommy Shorrock outside the Sir Henry Tate Tommy Shorrock outside the Sir Henry Tate

A GROUP of drinkers, including a pensioner, have been barred from a town centre pub after a dispute about “supping up time”.

The eight men, aged from 21 to 65, regularly enjoyed a late-night pint or two at the Sir Henry Tate, a JD Wetherspoon pub overlooking Chorley’s Flat Iron market square.

However a disagreement with management over drinking up time and the use of the toilet led to them being barred entry on Sunday, January 20.

Their exclusion was then confirmed in a letter from JD Wetherspoon’s customer service team saying they were no longer welcome.

Tommy Shorrock, 64, of Arley Street, Chorley said he was “upset and disappointed” at the way the group had been treated.

He said: “The disagreement was over several Sunday evenings. Last orders at the Sir Henry Tate are at midnight but we believe an insufficient and unreasonable timescale was imposed upon us to enjoy our final drink.

“The manageress asked for our glasses at 12.10am and demanded we leave the premises at 12.20am.

“Furthermore the use of the toilet, especially for a disabled person in our group, was denied prior to leaving. We’re just a typical group of pubgoers asking to be able to finish off our drinks without rushing.”

Mr Shorrock added that during a phone call with the pub’s customer services department he was told a reasonable drinking up time was 30 to 40 minutes.

He later sent a letter of complaint.

He added: “In my opinion Wetherspoons has a good reputation but the reaction of the staff left us quite upset and this turned to astonishment when we were barred entry.”

The letter of reply from JD Wetherspoon customer services to Mr Shorrock said: “Following on from your behaviour on your visit to the pub, we have been advised by the manager that they do not wish you to return to the pub.

“The manager is responsible for the pub and its licence and it is not a requirement that a reason for barring you from the premises is provided.”

Company spokesman Eddie Gershon added that JD Wetherspoon fully supported the actions of the manager.

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7:04pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Bill Carson says...

There's always a few obnoxious idiots who don't know when they've had enough. Once upon a time last orders on a Sunday was 10:30pm, and for this very reason. Isn't it just amazing that this sorry crew are still whinging at midnight when we now have all-day drinking 7 days a week!? Grow up and go home!!
There's always a few obnoxious idiots who don't know when they've had enough. Once upon a time last orders on a Sunday was 10:30pm, and for this very reason. Isn't it just amazing that this sorry crew are still whinging at midnight when we now have all-day drinking 7 days a week!? Grow up and go home!! Bill Carson

12:17am Fri 1 Feb 13

useyourhead says...

moaning beggars
moaning beggars useyourhead

6:27am Fri 1 Feb 13

liddle 'un says...

Unless you're a dosser, who can be out on a Sunday night supping 'til midnight?
Unless you're a dosser, who can be out on a Sunday night supping 'til midnight? liddle 'un

11:08am Fri 1 Feb 13

2 for 5p says...

liddle 'un wrote:
Unless you're a dosser, who can be out on a Sunday night supping 'til midnight?
they look like dossers
[quote][p][bold]liddle 'un[/bold] wrote: Unless you're a dosser, who can be out on a Sunday night supping 'til midnight?[/p][/quote]they look like dossers 2 for 5p

10:22pm Fri 1 Feb 13

cathryn29 says...

the manageress of that pub has got a serious case of power trip! what was the harm in letting them finish there drinks! in peace. surely running the place she would know that they had 30mins drinking up time. she obviously just wanted to get home and gave no thought to the people paying her wage!
the manageress of that pub has got a serious case of power trip! what was the harm in letting them finish there drinks! in peace. surely running the place she would know that they had 30mins drinking up time. she obviously just wanted to get home and gave no thought to the people paying her wage! cathryn29

5:04am Sat 2 Feb 13

john cash says...

i remember when there was a sorting office there and they did not sell drink,so these people should be happy weatherspoons are giving them 20mins to drink up,and one other point,why every time i go to chorley to this pub and the indian next door is there always a group of people hanging round by the door,why do weatherspoons allow it,i always find it unwelcoming.anyway stop your moaning. sup up and go.
i remember when there was a sorting office there and they did not sell drink,so these people should be happy weatherspoons are giving them 20mins to drink up,and one other point,why every time i go to chorley to this pub and the indian next door is there always a group of people hanging round by the door,why do weatherspoons allow it,i always find it unwelcoming.anyway stop your moaning. sup up and go. john cash

6:02am Sun 3 Feb 13

Charley Askey says...

In may be that in Scotland a 15 minute drinking period may still stand. However, it is not mentioned in the 2003 Licensing Act for England and Wales so you can image there's been lots of arguments like this one here with our friend Tommy Shorrock. So to the Facts - apart from mentioning children's drinking allowances there is very little mention of the consumption of alcohol at all under the Act. This goes without saying because one cannot really license that act of drinking itself, I presume this is why it is left out of the act. But on the other hand the premises to be licensed is expected to make a statement of the hours during which alcohol will be sold.

So I understand it this way, the Act merely requires a simple schedule should show any other times they will be open to the public. I see here that it mentioned by our friend Mr Shorrock that they have a licence till 2am. Under the Act this is totally irrelevant and it is, sorry to say, but possibly a confusing issue, so maybe the company Wetherspoon's might want to look at that. I feel also other issues not mentioned here might be looked into, like, was there in the Planning Permission any reference to Opening or Trading Times, if so they have to be considered in any legal redress.

Then there is the matter of disabled persons being involved, which makes me ask is this matter about a disturbance between the managers and customers about drinking up times and being barred - or - is it about an issues of Disability? I am registered disabled and would find it offensive if the issues of disability are being used here just to get the point across about drinking up time for able-bodied persons.

I would think that the disability issues about being able to get in or out of a premises would depends on the premises, the management, workers, public and all the other circumstances, which might include accidents or emergencies. But at the end of the day any issues with disability should, I feel, be addressed on its own merits at looked at through what is reasonably acceptable or needed for that given situation, this would including amount of time to vacate a premises.

I also understand that Mick Clark, communications officer for the Central Lancashire branch of the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA), said with regard to this article: “We must express our concern, particularly about the treatment of disabled people.” I am with our friend Mick Clark on this and agree fully that the involvement and treatment of disabled people needs here have to be addressed.

I would give lots of support to this problem that as unfortunately developed here for our friend Mr Shorrock and of course his friends, but first a clear-cut decision of what it is actually all about and that needs to be made clear. Again I ask, is it about disability or is it about drinking up time. Or is it about something else, such as the possible unruly behaviour that led to some people being banned from a pub or is it about Politics, I am puzzled to the involvement of UKIP what's that all about anyway? To finish, I feel, you can't get anywhere with this as it stands, the legalities are unfortunately on the side of the pub licensee.
In may be that in Scotland a 15 minute drinking period may still stand. However, it is not mentioned in the 2003 Licensing Act for England and Wales so you can image there's been lots of arguments like this one here with our friend Tommy Shorrock. So to the Facts - apart from mentioning children's drinking allowances there is very little mention of the consumption of alcohol at all under the Act. This goes without saying because one cannot really license that act of drinking itself, I presume this is why it is left out of the act. But on the other hand the premises to be licensed is expected to make a statement of the hours during which alcohol will be sold. So I understand it this way, the Act merely requires a simple schedule should show any other times they will be open to the public. I see here that it mentioned by our friend Mr Shorrock that they have a licence till 2am. Under the Act this is totally irrelevant and it is, sorry to say, but possibly a confusing issue, so maybe the company Wetherspoon's might want to look at that. I feel also other issues not mentioned here might be looked into, like, was there in the Planning Permission any reference to Opening or Trading Times, if so they have to be considered in any legal redress. Then there is the matter of disabled persons being involved, which makes me ask is this matter about a disturbance between the managers and customers about drinking up times and being barred - or - is it about an issues of Disability? I am registered disabled and would find it offensive if the issues of disability are being used here just to get the point across about drinking up time for able-bodied persons. I would think that the disability issues about being able to get in or out of a premises would depends on the premises, the management, workers, public and all the other circumstances, which might include accidents or emergencies. But at the end of the day any issues with disability should, I feel, be addressed on its own merits at looked at through what is reasonably acceptable or needed for that given situation, this would including amount of time to vacate a premises. I also understand that Mick Clark, communications officer for the Central Lancashire branch of the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA), said with regard to this article: “We must express our concern, particularly about the treatment of disabled people.” I am with our friend Mick Clark on this and agree fully that the involvement and treatment of disabled people needs here have to be addressed. I would give lots of support to this problem that as unfortunately developed here for our friend Mr Shorrock and of course his friends, but first a clear-cut decision of what it is actually all about and that needs to be made clear. Again I ask, is it about disability or is it about drinking up time. Or is it about something else, such as the possible unruly behaviour that led to some people being banned from a pub or is it about Politics, I am puzzled to the involvement of UKIP what's that all about anyway? To finish, I feel, you can't get anywhere with this as it stands, the legalities are unfortunately on the side of the pub licensee. Charley Askey

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